Exeter doorman attacks booze asbo plan

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THE head of a group representing door staff in Exeter has hit back at claims that new powers are needed to stop binge drinking in the city.

Jim Myers, chairman of the Exeter Door Supervisors and Door Staff Association, insists that his organisation, with the police, have made great strides in recent years to combat anti-social drinking.

He was reacting to comments made by city councillor Marcel Choules, who is a door supervisor for Night Owl Security, in the Echo this week.

Cllr Choules urged police to start using “booze asbos” on  anyone aged 16 or over, who  behaves anti-socially while drunk.

Magistrates can  use the orders to ban offenders  from pubs, off-licences and  named areas for up to two years,  or send them to alcohol awareness classes.

He claimed binge drinking in the city was “a concern” and said: “Every  Saturday we still have people  swearing and causing trouble when they are binge drinking, especially women.”

Mr Choules believes drinkers  will think twice about causing  problems if they know they risk  being given one of the new orders.

But Mr Myers said a number of strategies were already in place to tackle problems related to alcohol.

He said: “The police have been pro-active in helping to prevent anti-social behaviour fuelled by alcohol, with several schemes already in place to assist door staff.

“Police back the ‘three strikes’ system to ensure that any individual found behaving anti-socially on three occasions will be banned from Exeter drinking venues.

“There are also exclusion orders that can be issued by magistrates to prevent individuals from drinking in specific pubs or areas.”

He said the Exeter Licensees Association, led by community safety sergeant for Exeter, Neil Harvey, holds monthly meetings to discuss any issues raised by door staff, with photographs used to identify any persistent troublemakers.

Door staff are then made aware of any banned individuals at the Exeter Doormen’s Association meeting the following night.

Mr Myers, who has 23 year’s experience as a doorman, said: “We have a good working relationship with the police and what we’re doing is sufficient.

“Alcohol misuse is just part of the industry we’re in, and we’re working closely with the police to make sure banned individuals don’t enter premises.”

A representative of Devon and Cornwall police was unavailable for comment.

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    by Sam, Exeter

    Sunday, September 20 2009, 10:16PM

    “The real problem here is the underaged drinking that is going on. Im only 16 and fully aware of the fact that all my mates go out and drink because of the simple fact that "there is nothing else to do". I can sympathise with that, but on the other hand there are 12 year olds out there being arrested for getting drunk. How about the police do something about it rather than slapping them on the wrists every single time. Sure I may be snitching on my friends or whatever, but i care more about their well being than some pathetic lot who get off their faces on drink every weekend because there is quite frankly, no authority left. How about the community wake up to the real problems at heart for a change? Im 16 and already world weary enough to realise that the world we live in is a mess, moreso down this way it seems. Get some authority back into the situation, the police seem to have no power what so ever. Fear is the key, years ago people didnt commit crimes because they were scared of punishment. Now, people, including people my age, actually break the law on purpose because "its funny" and they get away with it... Every single time. Learn something from this, there is a bad world under your snotty noses. Act like it.”

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    by John, Exeter

    Saturday, September 19 2009, 5:21PM

    “I too work as a doorman in the city, surely anything that gets drunken undesireables off of the streets,is a good thing for everyone, regardless of who suggests it and what company they work for.”

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    by smith, devon

    Saturday, September 19 2009, 9:34AM

    “it used to be that local councillors, like the military and police could not work in environments where their councillor work could be compromised-'asbos' will nto stop 'teenagers' and young people from enjoying themselves-we are a major university city and many of the young people are 1st time away from home-re-education is needed and the best people are the door staff, who seem to manage well with 'people skills' to sort the problems out and keep them contained-'asbos' will cause a loss of revenue to all pubs/clubs and loss of jobs too-the entertainment business in the city is a major employer-but 'councillors' don't worry about these things as they have their job security in the council! the police don't have the time for all the paperwork 'asbos' will create-Mr Myers seems to be in touch with reality and Mr Choules just using his 'councillor' position to make an issue!”

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    by Marc, Exeter

    Friday, September 18 2009, 10:00PM

    “ROB... serving alcohol to a drunk person is already an offence and the person serving - no the licensee - pays the fine. Clearly, this doesn't work as folk are going in pubs drunk and coming out more drunk. A lot of the trouble happens when the drunks are thrown out and demand to get back in to get their coat, mates or partner! There is no easy answer but alcohol is a key factor in most violent crime.”

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    by brin, exeter

    Friday, September 18 2009, 8:48PM

    “A lot of this trouble stems from the fact the pubstaff and management serve drunks. I thought this was illegal? I think a lot of the problems lie with the pubs themself, maybe we should also be talking about punishing those that do. Lets face it most pubs in the city centre couldnt give a monkeys about who they are serving and whether they have had enough drink. Again, profits before responsibility, then it falls to the doorstaff and Police to pick up the pieces when it all goes wrong. I wonder if CCTV inside pubs is actually ever used to prosecute barstaff who break this law. They serve the booze, they should be more picky, and keep a closer eye on whats going on not just on the other side of the bar but on their own side also. The times I have been in pubs watch people get served till they are out of control, then they get kicked out so it becomes more of a public problem. Lets keep an eye on who serves the drunks, then prosecute them as well. I think it has to be tackled from every angle. The drink culture in Exeter of an evening is ruining it for those of us who like to socialise and have a drink and not 'kick off''.”

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