Exeter schools' pay by finger print plan

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EXETER pupils  could use  their  fingerprints to pay for their  school meals in a scheme  which is expected to be introduced  in city secondary schools  next year.

The hi-tech payment system  would see pupils scanning  their fingerprints or swiping  cards on special machines instead of handing over cash at  the tills.

After pre-ordering their  meals online, children would  get their fingers or cards  scanned at lunchtime to bring  up their account and pay for  their food.

 School managers Carillion  say the system would enable  pupils to pay for their meals  without having to bring cash  into school.

But Exwick and St Thomas  county councillor Rob Hannaford, a governor at two local  primary schools, has expressed  concerns about the initiative,  which is already being used in  schools in Kingsbridge, Bideford and Totnes.

 He said parents in these pilot  areas were protesting and complaining about the changes and  their potential dangers.

 “I am definitely against this  move and I will be asking for  the matter to be referred to the  Exeter County Committee for a  full and proper discussion.” he  said.

“There is no doubt that this  controversial move should be  put out to consultation with  local councillors, parents and  school governors before any action is taken in Exeter.

“This is yet again the face of  Big Brother government

 “Does any reasonable person  think its acceptable that school  children should be finger printed like criminals, and their biometric details kept on a system?

 “How do we know that this  system is secure and safe to  use? We have seen time and  time again that technology fails  and hacking can take place.

“It also raises a range of other longer term concerns and  issues about bringing in biometric ID cards by the back  door, conditioning children to  accept this authoritarian approach, and it’s also an affront  to all our traditional British  civil liberties.”

A spokesman for Carillion  said the company and Devon  County Council had consulted  with schools and had held  meetings with governors, to  which parents were invited.

She said: “We wouldn’t be  looking to do this until at least  Easter. This system already operates in Totnes, Taunton and  Plymouth.

“The way it would work is  the children would be able to  pre-order their meals online, so  it’s a cashless system. If they  don’t want to use their finger  for ID, they will also be able to  use a card, so there is an option.”

She said the system would  also benefit people with special  dietary requirements, as at the  ordering stage it would warn  them if a meal contained something they were allergic to.

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    by Lynda Hiscock, Exeter

    Sunday, November 29 2009, 5:47PM

    “I have already written to Mr Perry to state that if Carriion bring this in @ st Peters, I will not be signing the consent form for Carrilion to go ahead and take my daughter's fingerprint. She is a minor and they need my consent. I do not trust them with this data, as hard rives do go missing in the public section, who in their right mind would trust Carrilion with this information, especially after all the mistakes made when these school were built by them!”

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    by Alan, Exeter

    Sunday, November 29 2009, 2:46PM

    “Ok, Donna, seeing as you're so keen, answer me this ...

    If someone guesses your computer password, you can change it.

    If someone steals your id card for work, you can get a new one.

    What do you do if someone copies your finger prints ? Buy new hands ? Get new prints put on ?

    Before you make a stupid remark about how somebody could never steal your finger prints, try learning something about security. Or wear gloves for the rest of your life, except when using the id system of course - no wait, if you touch the id scanner you will leave your finger print behind, where somebody can steal it.

    People like you are the ones who are responsible for the govt thinking "everybody" is ok with intrusive biometric ID systems. That is to say, people who know nothing about the subject. Do you argue with your doctor, or your car mechanic when they tell you what's wrong ? Probably.

    If you read my previous comment and didn't understand it, let me make it plain. Your so called dinner money stealing bully, will have no trouble getting your kid to give them a finger print, without them even knowing. With that finger print, they can pay for their own school dinner using the victims account, and the victim will have to do without, because I'm pretty sure you are only allowed one dinner per day.

    Learn to use a search engine and realise the information on how to do this is available to anybody with an interest, including school bullies.”

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    by Donna, Exeter

    Saturday, November 28 2009, 7:30PM

    “Fantastic idea, this would stop students having their money stolen and not being able to eat. I have no problems with this. When i go to work i have to use my id to enter work. I have to use my log in to get in to the computer system. I would be more than happy for this scheme to come into place as soon as possible. there is too much uproar about human rights i'm sick of it. What about the children who have their dinner money stolen by bullies. What about their human rights.???
    Let it roll”

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    by John Lloyd, exeter

    Friday, November 27 2009, 3:15PM

    “Finger printing is illegal
    and the school should know that i would take it up with your mp”

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    by Alan, Exeter

    Friday, November 27 2009, 1:46PM

    “Oh, good, free school dinners for those with a bit of PVA glue and some common sense.”

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